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I would personally prefer the not go to war one...

12:55 AM

I dont mean it in a bad way ofc...

Okay, better odds then. I would hope your boot camp is going to teach you quite a lot, and prepare you.

@Askold Rugel Regardless of all other methods for avoiding what you are trying to avoid, the surest way is to not be in a combat situation in the first place. I don't know what exactly is at stake for you, and I know that people don't take the decision to involve themselves with such volunteer groups lightly. However, there might be other roles you can consider which will help you avoid any chance of what you are worried about.

12:58 AM

I mean non-combat roles.

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

I would personally prefer the not go to war one...

Unfortunately, right now my country represents everything that made me as broken as I am right now, and everything that is opposite to my values. If I'll stay out of this, I'll go insane. I was going insane for the whole year, when I didn't know how to join Ukrainian army. This was literally a year of hell - outbursts of despair, tears, constant nightmares, daily. I could be reminded of what Russian soldiers did by some photo or just random sound, and get stunned for like, 40 minutes, crying without control because I feel personally guilty for failing to stop those [censored]. I tried to help as a volunteer - not enough. Helped a lot to arm some people in Ukrainian army - not enough. I felt some sort of solitude only after I signed to join the army. Only then my consciousness said that this is an appropriate level of commitment, and stopped driving me mad. (edited)

Ah, so you have already been involved in non-combat roles.

I hope you luck, and everyone else in the battlefield too...

1:01 AM

Its not in the interest of any soldier to fight... Or any civil for that matter...

This is a strange mix of guilt, disgust, betrayal and pity. Pity for... Russians, strangely. Because those who go and kill Ukrainians are of my generation. And I knew them better back then. So when I see pictures of them laying dead I just silently scream "WHY?! FOR WHAT?! WHY DID YOU CAME HERE?!". We were supposed to be better generation and overcome this soviet heritage. (edited)

1:02 AM

I don't even begin to speak about pity for Ukrainians.

They are fighting for the same reason you are, or maybe worse, they might be forced...

1:03 AM

i dont exactly know the situation, you probably know better

1:04 AM

Its not like soldiers can just go and say "well im not going to war". Unless they all do it at the same time the one that does gets killed...

Do you have any idea how well they are training soldiers right now?

Reguile

Do you have any idea how well they are training soldiers right now?

not really...

1st wave was composed of contractors who could deny. And that was a lot of people.

Because I feel like it shouldn't be your job to worry about this, if they're doing their job, you will be ready before they put you out there

Askold Rugel

1st wave was composed of contractors who could deny. And that was a lot of people.

They were probably defending their own personal values anyway, just like you... I feel pity for every soldier, to be honest...

Well, I was told that I'd probably be put not on a combat role. But this sense of guilt actually drives me to ask for the assignment closest to the frontline. @Reguile (edited)

Reguile

Do you have any idea how well they are training soldiers right now?

We dont exactly know mazalins condition...

But yeah... I believe then question about tulpae is kinda closed. I'd just bring another person into a living hell of my head. And if I make them with the purest parts of the values I wanted to defend, they'd be hit even harder than me.

1:08 AM

That'd be cruel.

1:11 AM

Thanks for helping me to sort things out. I kinda don't know how to fight feeling being alone in this, without any backup, because tried everything else I could think of before thinking of tulpae again. But that's better than to make somebody else suffer.

1:12 AM

Just I have a friend in Russia who actually created 2 tulpae and they helped him to get through tough times of living life as a Russian. So yup... Know him and his tulpaes for many years.

Do you consider putting yourself in a situation which could be very unhealthy for you to be cruel?

1:13 AM

Or do you only consider it to be cruel if another person was to go through it?

I dont think thats relevant...

To force tulpae suffer.

Well, im going anyway.

Because of going through this.

1:14 AM

My initial thought was like "if there will be two of us, we'll combine our efforts get through this and recover for a better life after". (edited)

1:14 AM

But at the same time I was afraid that this might lead to two persons going down as well.

1:14 AM

That's why I wrote this question. (edited)

My point is, I think it would be equally sad if it was you and your tulpa going down or if it was just you going down.

1:16 AM

If you did have a tulpa, you would be a single system together. Currently, without a tulpa, you are still a system of one.

1:16 AM

Suffering that would go through would be bad, and to be avoided if possible, regardless of whether you have a tulpa along with you or not.

So yup, I was hoping if that would give me some sort of a brother to carry on and keep positive no matter what because we are two, not one, and will back each other up. (edited)

A tulpa providing backup like that is fundamentally the same as you providing support to yourself.

1:18 AM

It is a system caring for itself. It is only the aesthetics that are different.

Well, but this at least gives a feeling that somebody else cares, it isn't? From host's position. Because you perceive your tulpae as a completely different person.

1:20 AM

Like, even if that's technically one brain, you think separately, as I get it.

Yes, there is that benefit. It can give an opportunity to feel what it is like to receive care from another.

1:21 AM

The key thing is, the person is already capable of that before having a tulpa. It can just be a bit more intuitive for some people for it to come from a tulpa.

1:21 AM

(Quick note: care from a tulpa isn't a replacement for care from another)

Well. That was the take I wanted. To feel that somebody cares. And actually, to feel that I need to care for somebody as well. Because all this made me pretty fatalistic and suicidal. With tulpae I'll have an ultra-strong reason not to get into "suicidal" part. Because that'll kill him as well. Literally. (edited)

Because all this made me pretty fatalistic and suicidal.

Mmm, yes you seem aware that you're drawn towards self destructive choices.

(well, I believe you can see that suicidal part in me signing for the war. because I actually escaped Russia, have a decent job right now and I could just live my life, if not for the guilt and all the rest)

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What was said already about avoiding plurality is very good advice for someone in you position, because plurality could easily become another way to express self destructive tendencies.

Tulpae may become suicidal as well?..

worse, they can be manifestation of your suicidal thoughts

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if you have Real™️ depression it will affect the whole general plurality system, so plurality won't really solve the problem of being suicidal

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

worse, they can be manifestation of your suicidal thoughts

even if I try to intentionally make them resemble not that?

it might not be up to your intentions

1:25 AM

if you get disordered or disorganised, it goes out of your control

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1:26 AM

if you end up in a battlefield, i don't think you will be able to hold much conctrol

1:26 AM

you would probably have much less control over it than you have over your hatred that you want to control

Also if you haven't you can try discuss some of this with some people who have really been out there. I'm sure they'll have insights none of us can imagine.

KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧

if you get disordered or disorganised, it goes out of your control

oh, I get that... actually, I came up with an example of traits and personality what I wanted to build. because if to think closely, this character actually has like 70-75% of the traits I wanted Ralsei, Deltarune. This kind of personality I wanted to give. Not the exact one, but if make crude comparisons, someone from this area. Someone able to tell when to stop all this bullcrap that war provokes (edited)

Reguile

Also if you haven't you can try discuss some of this with some people who have really been out there. I'm sure they'll have insights none of us can imagine.

unfortunately, one of my friends who has this experience is unreachable for the majority of time. a military psychologist from Ukrainian army who fought in 2014-2015 but he's treating exchanged POWs and warzone survivors without rest lately so he just doesn't have any energy left to get into something else that doesn't require IMMEDIATE attention

1:31 AM

because people who are being brought to him usually are even more broken than I am

mazalin what could potentially happen is that you won't lose the traits you don't want to lose but new traits would grow on top of them and cloud them but they will always be there for you to reach out and reintegrate with

Hit up some American discords and look for people who were in Afghanistan and Iraq

it's not that if you are a nice person and something bad happens to you and become grumpy you lose the trait of being a nice person it's not binary people are very complex and hold a lot of contradictions

@Askold Rugel I very strongly believe you should avoid plurality because of how risky it can be for people in difficult circumstances, however I think it's noteworthy (and, frankly, admirable) that you are talking about and investigating ways to make it so that you are less fatalistic. You have a decent job, and if you felt it was the right thing to do you could continue to provide support through non-combat volunteer work (and also simply by paying taxes and supporting the economy). Just as plurality won't fix your cPTSD, fatalistic actions won't fix your cPTSD (including guilt) either. Recovering from that takes a long time and is very difficult, but it's very worthwhile for yourself and others.

Reguile

Hit up some American discords and look for people who were in Afghanistan and Iraq

actually, befriended 2 Afghan vets. unfortunately they usually don't have this deep hatred that Ukrainians and exiled Russians posses and of what I'm being afraid of (edited)

Leiko

mazalin what could potentially happen is that you won't lose the traits you don't want to lose but new traits would grow on top of them and cloud them but they will always be there for you to reach out and reintegrate with

I hope so, actually... just I saw how low some people go after being at this war. heard through stories from friends in volunteer groups that work close with the military, to the level of being friends maybe that was in them always then...

Cerys

@Askold Rugel I very strongly believe you should avoid plurality because of how risky it can be for people in difficult circumstances, however I think it's noteworthy (and, frankly, admirable) that you are talking about and investigating ways to make it so that you are less fatalistic. You have a decent job, and if you felt it was the right thing to do you could continue to provide support through non-combat volunteer work (and also simply by paying taxes and supporting the economy). Just as plurality won't fix your cPTSD, fatalistic actions won't fix your cPTSD (including guilt) either. Recovering from that takes a long time and is very difficult, but it's very worthwhile for yourself and others.

Well, thank you. I believe then we can conclude this discussion.

1:36 AM

Because otherwise if we continue that, this will be an off-topic for this thread.

1:37 AM

Like, question regarding tulpae is answered and investigated. (edited)

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Aside from everything, good luck with whatever you decide to do and whatever happens. I hope things go very well for you, Mazalin.

same

Well, even if I stay out of creating tulpae for now, I believe I'll still stay around on the server. Just without being a system, and being unitary. Thank you for your help, people. (edited)

You're welcome, I look forward to chatting with you more :3

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Does anyone know what the hell to do about a very… intimacy-seeking spirit? I’m kinda lost on what to do with him because I know he isn’t satisfied just sitting in the house all the time.

Wild

Does anyone know what the hell to do about a very… intimacy-seeking spirit? I’m kinda lost on what to do with him because I know he isn’t satisfied just sitting in the house all the time.

wwwwhat do you mean intimacy-seeking ?

Wild

Does anyone know what the hell to do about a very… intimacy-seeking spirit? I’m kinda lost on what to do with him because I know he isn’t satisfied just sitting in the house all the time.

perhaps you could get out of the house as your schedule allows and take him to places he might want to go?

Hello is creating a tulpa a personal journey? What if someone wants to create you a tulpa is that bad?l

I wouldn't say it is bad, but I would say it's probably impossible. Someone can't make something in your head, it's a thing you have to be involved in

11:55 AM

If you want to do like a hypnosis weird thing, just be sure you really really really trust that person. I wouldn't

Reguile

If you want to do like a hypnosis weird thing, just be sure you really really really trust that person. I wouldn't

Ok thanks.

Hi, um... I have a question... I'm really sorry if it's a weird one but my friend asked me that and I don't know how to answer... So uh... Can you be... intimate with a Tulpa? Like... Sleeping with them? Again sorry if it's weird...

Adding this to the list of bizarre questions I've seen

6:06 PM

That depends on what your definition of intimacy is.

6:06 PM

Sure, you can be in a romantic or sexual relationship with a tulpa, but as for the actions, it's kind of subjective.

6:07 PM

It's not going to be like having a human partner, thats for sure.

Luke_The_Writer

Hi, um... I have a question... I'm really sorry if it's a weird one but my friend asked me that and I don't know how to answer... So uh... Can you be... intimate with a Tulpa? Like... Sleeping with them? Again sorry if it's weird...

You can in your head sorta, like imagining it Or imposing them onto the real world and envisioning it there So yeah it's possible It won't be like with another human, but you can be intimate

Reguile

I wouldn't say it is bad, but I would say it's probably impossible. Someone can't make something in your head, it's a thing you have to be involved in

Well, someone could technically manipulate someone into creating a tulpa without them knowing... Although it would be difficult as the process is highly expectation driven. (And that would certainly be wrong of course...)

That’s basically what happened to me

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

Well, someone could technically manipulate someone into creating a tulpa without them knowing... Although it would be difficult as the process is highly expectation driven. (And that would certainly be wrong of course...)

I dont know if its actually related to the original question though.

Rusty

That’s basically what happened to me

Did that person have the intention to create a tulpa in you or was just an unfortunate conincidence? If you dont mind answering of course.

It’s an incredibly complicated story

Weird question, is it more common to have your tulpa participate in your dreams at night or no? I get my tulpa in my dreams sometimes, but usually not

5:01 PM

Anyone can answer about their experiences btw so i get a sense of what's more usual

We try, but to no success

My tulpa is a recurring figure in my dreams but not in all of them, just frequently enough for me to notice it and the morning after go "oh wait that was you"

I haven’t had any system members appear in dreams at all

They show up in dreams on rare occasion, sometimes they're the one dreaming